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rubio, a lot of strong, younger voices in the party i would like to see more on. i turn on the tv and see newt gingrich back on tv. he hasn't been a republican leader in about 16 years. that's a long time. we need to shift and hear some of the newer voices in the party. >> i have to say just because you have some gray hair doesn't mean you can say those things. this isn't just about being inappropriate. >> i agree, kiki. >> sometimes the truth is inappropriate. these are just dead wrong. they're promoting myths and unfactual statements and you just can't let that go. whether you're young or old, you know better than that and you shouldn't be doing it. >> i agree. i think there are smart ways to talk about a lot of these issues. i think we're going to get that opportunity and it's going to be a test for the party for how we talk about things like immigration reform. if we change how we talk about and think about the immigrant community in this country, that's going to make -- i think that's going to make a difference but it is going to be a test for the party on th
rubio, a lot of strong, younger voices in the party i would like to see more on. i turn on the tv and see newt gingrich back on tv. he hasn't been a republican leader in about 16 years. that's a long time. we need to shift and hear some of the newer voices in the party. >> i have to say just because you have some gray hair doesn't mean you can say those things. this isn't just about being inappropriate. >> i agree, kiki. >> sometimes the truth is inappropriate. these are just...
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marco rubio went on to win that primary and that senate seat. demint also backed rand paul in his primary. that was a fight, by the way, that took place in mcconnell's home state of kentucky and mcconnell endorsed the other guy. the not rand paul. but paul won. he won his senate race in kentucky which was deeply humiliating for mitch mcconnell. but demint has also backed a lot of candidates who won their primaries but did not go on to win their general elections. like christine "i am not a witch" o'donnell if you remember her. demint backed the not a witch candidate and she lost big time. he backed todd aiken of the legitimate rape comments and mourdock of the other rape comments. the reason jim demint isn't in the majority today is because of jim demint. but jim demint says he's okay with that. >> i'd rather have 30 republicans in the senate who believe in the principles of freedom than 60 who don't believe in anything. [ applause ] well, let -- let me make myself even clearer. i would rather have 30 marco rubios in the senate than 60 arlen spe
marco rubio went on to win that primary and that senate seat. demint also backed rand paul in his primary. that was a fight, by the way, that took place in mcconnell's home state of kentucky and mcconnell endorsed the other guy. the not rand paul. but paul won. he won his senate race in kentucky which was deeply humiliating for mitch mcconnell. but demint has also backed a lot of candidates who won their primaries but did not go on to win their general elections. like christine "i am not a...
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congressman paul ryan and marco rubio laid out their visions for expanding the appeal to the middle class. clear from the outset that the night was about moving past mitt romney. ryan welcomed rubio to the dinner, by the way, by joking about potential early state r run-ins the two of them may have ahead of them. >> i'll see you at the reunion can dinner for two. notice any good diners in new hampshire or iowa? >> paul, thank you for your invitation for lunch in iowa and new hampshire. but i will not stand by and watch the people of south carolina ignored. >> in his first big public speech since losing the presidential contest, they now have something in common. >> we both used to be the next vice president of the united states. though i wish this election turned out a little differently i'm proud of a campaign that mitt romney and i ran. losing is part of politics. and it can often prepare the way for greater victories. >> if that weren't enough of a signal that ryan is ready to move past the romney campaign with his political future in mind, there was this not so veiled reference. >> ten
congressman paul ryan and marco rubio laid out their visions for expanding the appeal to the middle class. clear from the outset that the night was about moving past mitt romney. ryan welcomed rubio to the dinner, by the way, by joking about potential early state r run-ins the two of them may have ahead of them. >> i'll see you at the reunion can dinner for two. notice any good diners in new hampshire or iowa? >> paul, thank you for your invitation for lunch in iowa and new...
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even marco rubio, in south florida he's huge, he's tied into that community. nationally, he's not well-known. 53% of latinos have not heard of him. his policies are outside of the latino mainstream. that's a danger in just putting an ethnic face out there. it's not going to work. >> i've heard dangerous. as political scientist, we love -- open season on vp biden will run but probably not uncontested on the democratic side. is there something specific about 2016 in terms of the rise of the tea party or the rise of diverse republicans and we ought to really be honing in on this early? >> i think when we get closer to 2016, we're going to see the fiscal fissures -- i think there are two wings of the republican party that don't agree with each other on a range of issues from climate change to immigration on a range of issues. i think we'll see those fissures come about. noticeably, there are no black contenders of the potential candidates. >> there is still a name broiling around out there. as soon as we coming, we'll stay on this issue. it's quite an interesting
even marco rubio, in south florida he's huge, he's tied into that community. nationally, he's not well-known. 53% of latinos have not heard of him. his policies are outside of the latino mainstream. that's a danger in just putting an ethnic face out there. it's not going to work. >> i've heard dangerous. as political scientist, we love -- open season on vp biden will run but probably not uncontested on the democratic side. is there something specific about 2016 in terms of the rise of the...
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. >> one of his biggest coups and victories was getting senator marco rubio elected in 2010. >> rubio is a rising star. >> yes. >>> well a minneapolis hospital is apologizing for a maternity ward mix-up. that horrified two new young mothers. tammy's baby boy was mistakenly placed in the wrong bassinet, taken to the wrong mother and breast-fed by that mom. the staff at the hospital acknowledged the error after the woman realized the id band did not match up and the newborn was not hers. the baby's mother couldn't believe what had happened. >> how could this happen? what do you mean he went to somebody else's room? what do you mean, somebody else breast-fed my son? i'm, just what? >> the hospital is investigating the accident. meantime, both moms and the baby are undergoing tests to make sure nothing was passed on to that child. which that is the most important angle of that story. >> exactly. >> the hospital gave an apology letter, promised a full investigation, and will cover the costs of any additional tests, the least they could do. i have never given birth. >> at least not to a chi
. >> one of his biggest coups and victories was getting senator marco rubio elected in 2010. >> rubio is a rising star. >> yes. >>> well a minneapolis hospital is apologizing for a maternity ward mix-up. that horrified two new young mothers. tammy's baby boy was mistakenly placed in the wrong bassinet, taken to the wrong mother and breast-fed by that mom. the staff at the hospital acknowledged the error after the woman realized the id band did not match up and the...
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. >> he was an early supporter of florida senator marco rubio. now the gop star, incoming senator cruz who tells mike lee all on the demint list. while 15 won primaries just seven are united states senators today. many party leaders, in fact, blame demint for high-profile senate losses in indiana, delaware, colorado and nevada and in a statement made yesterday minority leader mitch mcconnell said this. i thank senator demint for his uncompromising service to south carolina and our country in the united states senate. service. he probably wishes he was a little less compromising. that's how you can tell the ones secretly happy he was leaving. you heard phraseology like that. demint leaves the senate a month after conservatives were set back by obama's re-election. demint's 2010 network was $65,000. heritage current president made over $1 million in 2010. it's also a powerful statement about where demint believes he can have the most influence as a movement conservative. outside elected office. >> i think i'm in a more pow powerful position than a
. >> he was an early supporter of florida senator marco rubio. now the gop star, incoming senator cruz who tells mike lee all on the demint list. while 15 won primaries just seven are united states senators today. many party leaders, in fact, blame demint for high-profile senate losses in indiana, delaware, colorado and nevada and in a statement made yesterday minority leader mitch mcconnell said this. i thank senator demint for his uncompromising service to south carolina and our country...
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rubio, pat toomey rand paul geoff flake, geoff fisher. perhaps his worst was backing todd aiken after todd aikenenths "legitimate rape," he donated to aiken's come pain but his attempts to remake the republican party in his conservative image has errands him actually the scorn of more moderate republicans. washington post columnist jennifer rubin wrote today, quote, "demint has been a destructive force, thread anything to primary colleagues, resisting all deals and offering very little in the way of attainable legislation." she's right. the legislation that he backed was pretty far out there. for example, he pushed a bill that would make it illegal to discuss abortion on the internet, to even discuss it. he wanted to make it illegal for gay people or unmarried women having premarital sex to be teachers at all. he led the opposition to obamacare. he said if he could stop the law from passing, it would quote break the president. he put a hold on the national women's history museum. governor nikki haley will appoint his successor, governor o
rubio, pat toomey rand paul geoff flake, geoff fisher. perhaps his worst was backing todd aiken after todd aikenenths "legitimate rape," he donated to aiken's come pain but his attempts to remake the republican party in his conservative image has errands him actually the scorn of more moderate republicans. washington post columnist jennifer rubin wrote today, quote, "demint has been a destructive force, thread anything to primary colleagues, resisting all deals and offering very...
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you've been speaking a lot lately to senator marco rubio, had a sit-down conversation with him. i guess when you talked to him, you took another crack at that science question. clarify an answer he gave to "gq" when he was asked about the age of the earth. remember, senator rubio took a little grief, saying that he was not qualified to answer the question, calling it, quote, one of life's great mysteries. remember, i'm not a scientist, man, the whole thing. yesterday, mike, i guess you spoke to him as part of the "playbook" breakfast and you gave him a chance to explain that answer. let's listen. >> how old do you think the earth is? >> first of all, the answer i gave was trying to make the same point the president made a few years ago, and that is there is no scientific debate on the age of the earth. i mean, it's established it. pretty definitively. at least 4.5 billion years old. i was referring to a theological debate which is a pretty healthy debate. >> mike, what did you come away with talking to marco rubio yesterday? >> people in the room came away thinking that he was r
you've been speaking a lot lately to senator marco rubio, had a sit-down conversation with him. i guess when you talked to him, you took another crack at that science question. clarify an answer he gave to "gq" when he was asked about the age of the earth. remember, senator rubio took a little grief, saying that he was not qualified to answer the question, calling it, quote, one of life's great mysteries. remember, i'm not a scientist, man, the whole thing. yesterday, mike, i guess...
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look at marco rubio's speech talking about the american dream beginning with janitors and other kinds of workers. ryan at that same dinner this week talking about needing to alleviate poverty. there is this -- all these cross currents in the republican party, and it comes around the issue of jobs. it comes around the issue of the fiscal cliff talks about what the party wants to be. whether there's going to be a tea party 2 or whether there's something of a vacuum that doesn't get filled with demint leaving the senate. >> all right. david, thank you so much. we'll be watching "meet the press" this sunday as we do every sunday. eugene, thank you as well. your latest column online at washingtonpost.com. >> guard that mustache, gene. >> i'm going to guard it with my life. >> and congressman emanuel cleaver, great to have you on set with us. >>> coming up, nbc chief white house correspondent chuck todd. and later in the show, "the economist" crunched the numbers and came up with the best countries to be born in in 2013. and the united states does not top their list. we'll find out who does
look at marco rubio's speech talking about the american dream beginning with janitors and other kinds of workers. ryan at that same dinner this week talking about needing to alleviate poverty. there is this -- all these cross currents in the republican party, and it comes around the issue of jobs. it comes around the issue of the fiscal cliff talks about what the party wants to be. whether there's going to be a tea party 2 or whether there's something of a vacuum that doesn't get filled with...
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at the same dinner a more sober, compassionate, marco rubio emerged as a champion for the, let's see if you can guess. >> middle class, american middle class, great american middle class. vibrant and stable middle class. m middle class job creator. middle class. >> with 35 mentions in one speech, rubio made his love for the middle class clear. his solution what ails the middle class, tax cuts. >> they do not create rapid economic growth. you can't open or grow a business if your taxes are too high or uncertain. that's why i personally opposed the president's plan to raise taxes. we should keep rates low on everyone. >> paul ryan, meanwhile, channel his inner ian rand, the problem for the american poor is a bloated federal government. a bloated federal government that wants to spend too much to help the poor. >> government's approach has been to expand bureaucracy and spend lots of money on bloated top-down anti-poverty programs. we're trying to measure compassion by how much we spend not by how many people we help. >> the takeaway, we care. we care about the same things we always car
at the same dinner a more sober, compassionate, marco rubio emerged as a champion for the, let's see if you can guess. >> middle class, american middle class, great american middle class. vibrant and stable middle class. m middle class job creator. middle class. >> with 35 mentions in one speech, rubio made his love for the middle class clear. his solution what ails the middle class, tax cuts. >> they do not create rapid economic growth. you can't open or grow a business if...
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last night congressman paul ryan senator marco rubio attended a dinner honoring the late anti-tax supply sider jack kemp. ryan distanced himself at that dinner from mitt romney's now notorious 47% remarks. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. we need need to speak to the aspirations -- [ applause ] we must speak to the aspirations and the anxieties of every american. >> jennifer: wonder why he wasn't telling romney that on the campaign. anyway romney and rubio then were up there joking that they're going to be seeing a lot of each other on the 2016 iowa, new hampshire, south carolina dinner circuit. so, of course, for the latest on the republicans quixotic branding campaign, we're going to turn to christine pelosi, chair of the women's caucus in her fabulous pink blazer. her political analysis can be found on politico's arena section. what do you think? do you think democrats would like a shot at running against ryan again or is rubio preferrable or is there another character out t
last night congressman paul ryan senator marco rubio attended a dinner honoring the late anti-tax supply sider jack kemp. ryan distanced himself at that dinner from mitt romney's now notorious 47% remarks. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. we need need to speak to the aspirations -- [ applause ] we must speak to the aspirations and the anxieties of every american. >>...
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ted cruz, rand paul, marco rubio, jeff flake. >> right. >> but he is also the guy that gave his personal seal of approval to crazies like christine o'donnell and sharron angle and richard mourdock and todd akin. in the end, is this a net-net win for republicans who have some amount of their sanity, a shred of it left? >> not necessarily. when they did the count of his 35 major legislative proposals, none were enacted into law. as you were reporting, alex, it was really the king maker status and the relationship with the tea party that he leveraged more so than doing anything specific on the hill. having said that, what i think is particularly interesting is this reflects sort of the weird moment that we're in political life in the country. participation is very high. democracy is very low. and so while people are turning out to vote, and we have all this incredible enthusiasm out there. we just had this big long election. we have a congress that everyone knows is broken. we have money that really, you know, floods the system. and we have a senate in particular that has record-breaking fi
ted cruz, rand paul, marco rubio, jeff flake. >> right. >> but he is also the guy that gave his personal seal of approval to crazies like christine o'donnell and sharron angle and richard mourdock and todd akin. in the end, is this a net-net win for republicans who have some amount of their sanity, a shred of it left? >> not necessarily. when they did the count of his 35 major legislative proposals, none were enacted into law. as you were reporting, alex, it was really the...
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paul ryan, jeb bush and marco rubio. by the way, newt gingrich said sunday on "meet the press" what makes her such a formidable opponent. >> if the competitor in 2016 will be hillary clinton supported by bill clinton and presumably still relatively popular president barack obama trying to win that will be truly the super bowl and the republican party today is incapable of competing at that level. >> so should we do our little meter every week? do you want to us do it every day? tweet me some advice. how do we deal with hillary watch 2016? if you want it daily, let us know. if you want it weekly, if you need a break, you're not going to get a break. the question is daily or weekly and we'll throw jeb into that mix as well. clinton still has some real work to do before she leaves her current job, and it may well be dominated by the crisis in syria where violence from the 21-month-old civil war is spilling over the border into lebanon. 40,000 have been killed according to the syrian activist. the rebels continue to make adv
paul ryan, jeb bush and marco rubio. by the way, newt gingrich said sunday on "meet the press" what makes her such a formidable opponent. >> if the competitor in 2016 will be hillary clinton supported by bill clinton and presumably still relatively popular president barack obama trying to win that will be truly the super bowl and the republican party today is incapable of competing at that level. >> so should we do our little meter every week? do you want to us do it every...
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junior senator from your state from florida, marco rubio, telling politico's mike allen that immigration needs to be tackled issue by issue. take a listen. >> i think it needs to be dealt with comprehensively but not in a comprehensive bill. a comprehensive package of bills. the reason that's important is because each issue has their own constituencies and deserve to be dealt squarely for what they are. i think there's consensus on almost all of them. >> first of all, is that the best approach? and second question, which immigration issues do you feel are the most pressing? >> you know, i think marco was right on. that would be the best way to move forward. unfortunately, in washington, boast both in the house and the senate and the white house, they want to use those constituencies against each other to try to get more of what they want in the bill. the best way to do it would be to take each of the issues separately, deal with them, have open discussion and debate about them, and let the process work. but my guess is those that are at the top -- i'm talking about the leadership in both
junior senator from your state from florida, marco rubio, telling politico's mike allen that immigration needs to be tackled issue by issue. take a listen. >> i think it needs to be dealt with comprehensively but not in a comprehensive bill. a comprehensive package of bills. the reason that's important is because each issue has their own constituencies and deserve to be dealt squarely for what they are. i think there's consensus on almost all of them. >> first of all, is that the...
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you have paul ryan and marco rubio speaking at a jack kemp dinner. and i want to play a piece of sound from each of them. and it says something about how they see the future of the republican party. >> i've heard it suggested that the problem is that the american people have changed. that too many people want things from government. but i'm still convinced that the overwhelming majority of our people, they just want what my parents had, a chance. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. we need to speak to the aspiration aspirations. we must speak to the aspirations and the anxieties of every american. >> newt, that's a long way from the 47% of mitt romney. >> well, first of all, every republican should be focussed on what we just talked about. i mean,if their competitor in '16 is going to be hillary clinton, supported by bill clinton and presumably a still relatively popular president barack obama, trying to win that will be truly the super bowl.
you have paul ryan and marco rubio speaking at a jack kemp dinner. and i want to play a piece of sound from each of them. and it says something about how they see the future of the republican party. >> i've heard it suggested that the problem is that the american people have changed. that too many people want things from government. but i'm still convinced that the overwhelming majority of our people, they just want what my parents had, a chance. >> both parties tend to divide...
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or is it to do it like senator marco rubio has suggested, one piece at a time? >> i would say you go all in. i think you have to be sensitive to some of the politics of it. but in reality given what the republicans faced in the election and the total rebuke amongst hispanic voters. the dynamics and the forces are there for immigration reform. more so now and that ever before. will it be difficult? yes, will it be complicated? of course. i think people have come to terms with the fact that you're not going to deport 12 million plus people. that's never going to happen. so let's find a way to do this in a decent, humane way. i think if we do it the country wins, it's not about a republican or democrat victory. >> joe, how would the gop react to a proposal for a path to citizenship. for the 12 million illegal immigrants who are living here. >> there's a shot to get this done. chris has spoken right. we have to consider what's best for the united states of america. and the best way for the united states to move forward is to listen to those, those voices of reason,
or is it to do it like senator marco rubio has suggested, one piece at a time? >> i would say you go all in. i think you have to be sensitive to some of the politics of it. but in reality given what the republicans faced in the election and the total rebuke amongst hispanic voters. the dynamics and the forces are there for immigration reform. more so now and that ever before. will it be difficult? yes, will it be complicated? of course. i think people have come to terms with the fact that...
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. >> reporter: all kidding aside, paul ryan and marco rubio already appear to be hitting on themes that seem to distance themselves from mitt romney's toc comments on people who receive government assistance. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. >> i've heard it suggested that the problem is, that the american people have changed. too many people want things from government. but i'm still convinced that the overwhelming majority of our people want what my parents had, a chance. >> reporter: republican strategists say their candidacies could help hit the gop reset button and give hillary clinton a serious challenge. >> does she scare republicans? >> i think she energizes republicans. what we're seeing right now are some very positive numbers for hillary clinton now. she's been out of the political fray for four years. when she becomes a politician again, if she goes into the political fray, into that ring, the gloves are off and the bell is ringing. >> unlike her last run in 20078
. >> reporter: all kidding aside, paul ryan and marco rubio already appear to be hitting on themes that seem to distance themselves from mitt romney's toc comments on people who receive government assistance. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. >> i've heard it suggested that the problem is, that the american people have changed. too many people want things from...
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rand paul, mike johnson, lee, marco rubio. there's a good group in the senate. i don't think any one of them is going to be a king maker. you are going to see conservative forces in the house and the senate coalesce. we meet with the conservative senators on a fairly regular basis. that group will sort of become the leaders of the conservative movement nationwide. >> thanks for joining me. i appreciate your time today. >> thank you. >>> history just after midnight. another milestone on the road to marriage equality. that journey is taking a detour to the supreme court. coming up, we look at the options facing the nine justices. keep it locked in. you're watching weekends with alex witt. and when you switch from another company to us, we even reward you for the time you spent there. genius. yeah, genius. you guys must have your own loyalty program, right? well, we have something. show her, tom. huh? you should see november! oh, yeah? giving you more. now that's progressive. call or click today. a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today.
rand paul, mike johnson, lee, marco rubio. there's a good group in the senate. i don't think any one of them is going to be a king maker. you are going to see conservative forces in the house and the senate coalesce. we meet with the conservative senators on a fairly regular basis. that group will sort of become the leaders of the conservative movement nationwide. >> thanks for joining me. i appreciate your time today. >> thank you. >>> history just after midnight. another...
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with just 24 days and counting, president obama and senator marco rubio in the republican address are racheting up the rhetoric. >> we can and should do more than just extend middle class tax cuts. and i stand ready to work with republicans or a plan that spurs economic growth, creates jobs and reduces our deficit. a plan that gives both sides some of what they want. >> tax increases will not solve our $16 trillion debt. only economic growth and a reform of entitlement programs will help control the debt. we must reform our complicated, uncertain job-killing tax code by getting rid of unjustifi loo holls. >> molly ball and david nakamura. thanks for joining me. >> good to be here. >> david so house speaker john boehner says there's no progress to report. the white house says republicans are to blame for dragging their feet. it seems at least publicly we're getting nowhere. is there anything bigger churning behind the scenes? >> alex, i wish i had good news for you. there's not much going on. certainly at the staff level there's still talks going on. the president did have an onization
with just 24 days and counting, president obama and senator marco rubio in the republican address are racheting up the rhetoric. >> we can and should do more than just extend middle class tax cuts. and i stand ready to work with republicans or a plan that spurs economic growth, creates jobs and reduces our deficit. a plan that gives both sides some of what they want. >> tax increases will not solve our $16 trillion debt. only economic growth and a reform of entitlement programs will...
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it will be guys like jeb bush, paul ryan, marco rubio -- much more formidable gop candidates. i'm not ready to say, hey, let's lay down our swords and let hillary have this one. i don't think we're ready for that. >> what should the republican party be doing now or in the years to come to make sure they can compete? regardless if it's hillary clinton or somebody else. >> that's a good question, ted. honestly, the bigger issue has nothing to do with the name at the top of the ballot but what the parties stand for. the republican party's economic message, one i inherently know is better, is superior, but it's sold on abstract and theoreticalal terms, is not applying to middle class, everyday americans when aligned against policies that are designed to say, here's how i'm going to help you on x, y, and z, from auto bailouts to birth control. it's just not stacking up right now. we have to explain free market capitalism in more tangible terms to everyday americans. >> i've got to argue with my buddy. i just have to challenge will on this. i'm not really sure if their economic poli
it will be guys like jeb bush, paul ryan, marco rubio -- much more formidable gop candidates. i'm not ready to say, hey, let's lay down our swords and let hillary have this one. i don't think we're ready for that. >> what should the republican party be doing now or in the years to come to make sure they can compete? regardless if it's hillary clinton or somebody else. >> that's a good question, ted. honestly, the bigger issue has nothing to do with the name at the top of the ballot...
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marco rubio, the senator from florida, just one-third of people say he's favorable about him. that's mainly because so many people don't know him. jeb bush still has a little tarnish on the family name. a little better at 39%. both paul ryan and mitt romney check in with an approval rating of, believe it or not, 47%. >> how about that? >> ouch. >> december the 10th. 2012. >> 2012. >> in 2016. mike allen, thanks so much. >> thank you, mike. >> never too early. have a great week. >> actually, if i can just correct him, willie, i think it's a little early. >> it's way too early. >> i think we need to get out of the calendar year. let's get through advent. >> opening day. >> opening day. >> put another way. >> how about opening day 2015. >> i'll go for that. >> i love -- go back and look at polls two years before any election. go back and look at the 1978 democratic poll which i always like to do, willie. it's one of my favorites. ted kennedy was going to beat jimmy carter by 20 points in the primary and was going to be, what, howard baker or somebody. ronald reagan was just a gli
marco rubio, the senator from florida, just one-third of people say he's favorable about him. that's mainly because so many people don't know him. jeb bush still has a little tarnish on the family name. a little better at 39%. both paul ryan and mitt romney check in with an approval rating of, believe it or not, 47%. >> how about that? >> ouch. >> december the 10th. 2012. >> 2012. >> in 2016. mike allen, thanks so much. >> thank you, mike. >> never too...